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Poster: Sansloy Date: Mar 26, 2014 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dumb "Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings" question

So, there's no way to buy a legal download of this? I can buy a used or grey market "new" copy of the CD at a premium price....

Seems like lots of the limited edition stuff is stuck in this limbo.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 26, 2014 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

Rhino has only recently started to release stuff by download. It was not available that way when it was first released. Maybe now that they have gone back and made all the Road Trip releases available this way, they will do the same with some of there other releases. I wonder how they did with downloads for the May '77 box set and SSDD. If they went well maybe they'll join the 21st century for all their releases.

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Poster: Sansloy Date: Mar 26, 2014 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

I always figure that it can't cost a lot to post a digital version. Maybe they think if people think they can get a digital version someday, they won't rush out and order the limited edition (suppressing some sales of the CD). Or it's a licensing thing?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 26, 2014 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

Not sure. I have been told that they make a lot less by selling digital versions than CDs. I have always figured that this is really a niche market so they must have figured if they were only going to sell a limited number of copies that they should try to grab as much cash for those copies as possible.

However i think the results of the May '77 box and the SSDD release point to your thinking as well. The May '77 box had 15K hard copies and took months and months to finally sell out. I think the only SSDD release to sell out was the vinyl. They had 25K copies of the deluxe box but it was competing with the "regular" box and digital releases. Since that release hit the billboard chart they must have sold quite a few. The E72 box sold a lot more than they expected, so i think that means when they release something really special, there is high demand. Maybe thats why they opened up SSDD to all these other sales options.

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Poster: Quasarider Date: Mar 26, 2014 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

I don't think The 73 and 77 are limited editions(dead.net exclusives) they are available at retail stores, I bought mine at fye. That's why you can still pick these up.
In my opinion Rhino shouldn't make anything limited why miss out on future sales it's like they have narrowed down the market to 15,000 people when you they have millions of fans. The hold up for the new Daves pick is going on 5-6 months I can't imagine that much work going into releasing the music. Albums take less time. How many bands have fans that will pay for music in advance of unknown past shows? It doesn't even sound right and I'm joined up this year. Maybe the next release will sound so good it will be worth the wait.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Mar 26, 2014 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

I don't buy Dave's Picks because I think the whole idea of paying for music before I know what the music will be is absolutely ludicrous. I've emailed Lemieux and told him how I felt and he was a total asshole about it.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Mar 27, 2014 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

I don't blame you.
Personally, I'm that guy.......
I couldn't tell you the last GD related music I bought.
Why buy the cow when you are already getting the milk for free.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 26, 2014 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

May '77 was limited to 15000 boxes, the digital was not limited. The '73 box and the Winterland '77 box were not limited on release but they have a tendency to drop stuff from production.

I agree, i don't love the subscription combined with limited release. I have only purchased them last year and this year because i did the math and figured with the free shipping if they send me 3 shows i like, it pays off, especially if i like the bonus. Since they opened the last two years with a show i liked, i felt it was worth the risk.

I assume the limited edition thing makes sure they get there money in a timely fashion. Having product sit around for years cost them money, right? I am sure they have calculated exactly what they need to make and have decent feel for how much they can sell. I don't agree with you about millions of fans or at least i don't believe that millions of fans equates to millions of buyers. If that were the case, then things would sell out much quicker. Hard to believe they wouldn't sell 14000 Dave's Picks subscriptions if they had millions of people buying their products. The individual shows sell out quickly but i think they are only dealing with 4-5K at that point.

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Poster: Quasarider Date: Mar 27, 2014 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

I agree they wouldn't sell millions of copies but I don't know why they limit sales to dead.net vs utilizing retail outlets as well, there are a great number of fans that probably never pay attention to what happens on dead.net. I know my friends have never even heard of Daves picks "who is Dave don't you mean Dick". You definitely wouldn't want a ton of excess inventory around but if the initial sales of a show sell out cant they just manufacture them in smaller quantities? It's crazy what these go for on eBay once there sold out.
If they wanted to make more money why is there such a hold up on releasing shows? It maybe the fact that the majority of people have already paid for these releases so no motivation. It may have to do with no one purchasing cds anymore but I personally would never pay money for a live download of a Dead show I want something to hold onto for that kind of $$.


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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 27, 2014 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

There are starting to do this although maybe not in the most convenient way. All of the sudden you can get the whole Road Trips series as set at the iTunes Store. Not sure why they didn't let people purchase each release separately. Many of these are no longer available at dead.net (listed as sold out even though they weren't limited release). I recall a few months back there was chatter that they were going to start selling the E72 shows as downloads on amazon.com. I even remember seeing what appeared to be a sales site ready to go for this Spring but i think its gone.

I think the problem they have is if they sell something as limited edition then come back and sell more of it they have to significantly delay the non-limited releases or else no one will buy up the limited ones (SSDD deluxe didn't sell out yet but hit the Billboard list so lots of copies sold). They also have to somehow discriminate the limited release from the re-release other than just the numbering. They did this with E72 box, with the music only version, but the single show releases aren't much more than music anyways. Maybe they will do it by digital release only. If they don't do something significantly different then they lose credibility with the "limited" branding.

I assume Rhino knows what they are doing. They seem to have a pretty good business and a lot of experience dealing with older acts and niche markets. I don't know if they routinely use retail outlets or not. I know they do downloads from their own site for some artists. I also recall that the band was given guaranteed annual minimum payments that were pretty lucrative (i think it was compared to "peak of touring revenue") so both sides are pretty clear one what their bottom line is.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Mar 26, 2014 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

Yeah, it should be a digital release at this point but it isn't. I think the box set is worth it; VERY nice packaging, and a great booklet. And of course the music is wonderful. But it is a shame the music isn't available on its own digitally.

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Poster: mzlizizaninja Date: Mar 27, 2014 4:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

anybody who wants the money first and delivers the product way later is probably playing with hedge funds and it has nothing to do with us or the music.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Mar 27, 2014 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

Couldn't agree more.

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Poster: RJ_Squirrel Date: Mar 26, 2014 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

Maybe this is a dumb question but why not just buy the box from dead.net? It doesn't appear to be out of print.

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Poster: Quasarider Date: Mar 26, 2014 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dumb 'Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings' question

http://stash.nugs.net/attics/731111_mp3.asp?artist=1&;show=55&cmd=shows The 11 11 show